Friday, July 16, 2010

Catholic Church. Advocating ordination of women as big a "sin" as child abuse.

I was going to post a few comments this morning on the Obama regime. And I still will. He wonders why he is so unpopular. It is not hard to see why. He came in promising change. He has delivered none. People feel swindled. He has continued with the unpopular wars abroad. He has continued with the same pro rich economic policies which leave wages falling and tens of millions unemployed. Just before the gulf oil catastrophe he opened the door again to off shore drilling again. His great legislative "victories" are shams. His health care bill leaves the sickness industry in private hands, hands it billions in tax payer money and remains based on profit not need. His response to the economic crash was to bail out Wall Street and the financial institutions and the new so-called financial regulations will take years to implement and if they ever are implemented they will leave the criminals in Wall Street and the banks still in charge. Obama is a slick bourgeois politician completely at the command of capitalism. And he wonders why he is unpopular. He, the Democrats and the Republicans all dance to the same capitalist tune. If there was an iota of class anger and opposition to capitalism in the trade union leadership they could build a mass working peoples party, organize the majority of workers into the unions and transform the country. But no, they are too busy kissing the boots of capitalism, riding about in their luxury cars and lying around in their air conditioned suites. As a result the tea baggers, these right wing nuts, can pose as an opposition. The country is in a bad state altogether. What is needed is a mass working class opposition which takes on capitalism and poses a democratic Socialist Alternative. And just so we do not ignore the responsibility of others. If the different left forces in the country were not so riven with left sectarianism and ultra leftism they could also contribute to building a mass movement for change.

But back to what I was referring to earlier. What has really got me mad this morning. It is the leaders of the Catholic Church again and their view that women are inferior to men. It has come to the stage where it is hard not to say that they hate women. Some people say that I write too much on this issue. Maybe I do. But we are not talking about a tiny cult here. We are talking about a mass organization with tentacles in every continent, with hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth and with an absolute conscious commitment to making sure that capitalism continues to exist. It was earlier the church of slavery, then when feudalism overthrew slavery it became the church of feudalism, then when capitalism overthrew feudalism it became the church of capitalism and this is what it remains today. From the pro capitalist propaganda it spews from its pulpits to its funneling of money to the murderous right wing dictatorships in Latin America in the past, to its mobilizing of its resources to re introduce capitalism to the former stalinist world the leadership of the Catholic Church is a major bulwark for capitalism. While recognizing this fundamental essence of the Catholic Church its other crimes have to be kept in mind. And one of these is its belief that women are inferior to men and its policies which are based on keeping women in subservient positions to men.

Maybe this is a bit strong to say the Catholic Church hates women you might say. Well imagine I had an organization. And in this I only allowed men to be leaders. That I relegated women to being members only and to doing cheap or free labor. (The Nuns) And I campaigned against women having any control over their own bodies. Birth Control. And at every important occasion some dried up old man like the present pope with the former nazi past would make the pronouncements and give the orders. What would you think? I suggest you would be outraged. But because it has been around and doing this for so long, because of its centuries of tradition, because of it great buildings, its use of great music, its men dressed in strange garb which gives their pronouncements extra power, its alliance with and being part of the ruling class and capitalism, then the Catholic Church can get away with its policies to keep women subservient and its hatred of women. Because of these and other factors I think that I am not wrong in saying the Catholic Church hates women. I would like to offer my opinion that there is no justification for any person, woman or man to stay in this organization. It is utterly backward and corrupt. It holds humanity back.

But let us look at the situation a bit more in light of a recent event. Yesterday the Catholic Church leadership in an attempt to stench the tidal wave of reports of how it has abused children over the centuries issued a statement. Of course it did not deal with the problem in anything like a serious way. It still does not hold Bishops accountable for the abuse of priests and full timers on their watch and it does not instruct its Bishops and full timers to automatically report abusers to the cops. But let us go on to the issue of the Catholic Church's hatred of women.

This statement says that ordaining women as priests is as "grave a delict" that means as grave a sin, as pedophilia. So there we have it. From the horses mouth. Advocating for the ordination of women as priests is as big an offense, as big a sin in their terms, as abusing children. This is staggering. It is unbelievable except that it has just happened . Imagine the mentality of these people, this all male leadership, this male pope, they are formally stating that anybody who advocates that a woman can become a priest is as guilty of as grave a sin as abusing a child. If we did not know the power and political elements involved, these males want to hold on to power, and also if they changed things on the ordination of women other issues would come up, for example the Church's commitment to capitalism, as I say if we did not know this overall situation, we would have to say that all these old men are mad, that they should all be removed from their positions and given treatment or locked up and the keys thrown away.

For its own reasons some of which are stated above the leadership of the Catholic Church thinks women are inferior, hates women. This organization must be seen for what it is. No progressive minded person should be a member or support this organization in any way.

Sean

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

I was thinking the other day about the nonsense that organizations like this teach. What do they say?

The sages of the Catholic Church claim that this Being from outer space, or somewhere in the cosmos, impregnated a Jewish girl in the middle east.

This girl then gave birth to the offspring of this Being from the cosmos who they named Jesus. This character, Jesus went around making dead people walk and stuff like that, although no one wrote about these incredible achievements did they?

Then this Jesus ended up pissing off the leaders of the people and got himself nailed to a cross which was a common form of execution in those days.

But get this; he then rose up from the dead and went back in to space (after a brief chat, or some say fling, with a prostitute.) He will only come back when the people of this earth are engaged in all out war, a war incidentally that has something to do with the Being's fight on earth with one of its former employees. (The former employee was kicked out of heaven, a place in the cosmos where the Being lives)

When we think about it, this whole immaculate conception thing, it's all about making sex evil and dirty, especially when women enjoy it.

But then, women got the rough end of the stick from the beginning as a woman betrayed the Being from the cosmos, who they say created the cosmos, (Who created the being I ask?) by tricking the honest and decent man in that garden in to defying the Being from the cosmos' orders.

And those that push this stuff are given high regard by society; they are revered and honored, and considered saviors of the "savages" that worshiped the sun and the wind and all the elements.

What nonsense

Unknown said...

i was at a neighbours house last week.he is a banker and his friend is also white collar.the banker votes republican and the other man votes for the dems.they were having a intense debate.the banker was full of facts and data about the banking regulations.he argued that many of these rules were not needed because rules were already in place to protect us all.the liberal friend had no answers.it has to be stated however that being dem or republican confuses the whole issue.sean is right.the system has failed most people in this world.

erin said...

The good thing about the vatican's latest attack on women that Sean writes about here, is that most people that I have talked to about it think it's completely absurd, and that includes a practicing catholic as well as a non-practicing former nun. The former nun that I know told me that she still talks with nuns that she knew when she was one as well, and they all believe that women should be ordained as priests and that the catholic church leadership needs to be made more diverse, including women. Also, I heard on the radio recently a report about some catholic women who have been ordained as priests, and most of course are now formally excommunicated. But they have formed a small organization of their own that advocates the ordination of women, and the marriage of priests. As a socialist, I am an atheist, but a lot of workers, and a lot of class conscious workers believe in god and go to church here in the US. The catholic church, for some workers, is a kind of home. I know it was for my grandmother who was a worker, and certainly not a conservative. I get the impression that there are some progressive entities that exist within the catholic church that provide services in communities, and there are people who work at those entities and who are committed to them. As frankly misogynistic as the Vatican's equating of ordination of women with the sexual abuse of children is, I think it might still be hard for certain progressive catholics to just up and leave the church. The former nun that I was talking to thought that eventually, as catholics leave the church and membership declines more and more, the church will be forced to reform and that women will eventually be ordained as priests. So I have no doubt that people are getting turned off to the church as the abuse cover-up scandals mount and the male domination asserts and re-asserts itself. All the same, I think it would be impossible to discuss with certain people, people who are catholic yet progressive, and insist that they leave the church. I am glad that writers on this blog and in other sources are calling some attention to the utterly dictatorial male clique that runs the church. It is good to point out the role in society of the catholic church. Catholics can draw their own conclusions about how they should worship, and, eventually, whether to worship any god at all.