tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2579189847356587096.post998663887469612304..comments2024-02-14T11:30:29.227-08:00Comments on Facts For Working People: Sanders Movement And the Green Party After New York. Richard Mellorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00997976754939725087noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2579189847356587096.post-40345705786116355662016-04-24T15:04:43.639-07:002016-04-24T15:04:43.639-07:00Please...51% and growing don't identify with e...Please...51% and growing don't identify with either party...any side of the coin...same coin....we are the majority...and most DON'T KNOW OF THE ALTERNATIVE.....<br />THE HOPE!<br />The GREEN PARTY CANDIDATE...DR. JILL STEIN!!!<br />...BECAUSE ACTIONS COUNT...NOT WORDS !!!<br />“There is an occasion where a third party actually won a presidential election coming into it at as a third party. 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Are you also a Green Party member who is involved in the Bernie Sanders campaign? This is a major problem for the Green Party I think. At a time when the Greens should be making a case for the party, getting involved in different issues that affect the working class whether it be rents, education,workplace struggles etc. so many of them are involved getting a Democrat elected as opposed to urging people to join and voter Green. You can't build a party that way. Lawrence is all excited because Sanders uses the term "Democratic Socialism" and we haven't heard other liberal Democrats say that. So what. He's an ardent supporter of US foreign policy and isn't trying to build an independent direct action movement. This isn't 40 years ago. The term Democratic Socialism is not feared among the young the way it was back then. Why are you on Green lists?Richard Mellorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997976754939725087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2579189847356587096.post-80519006927165197212016-04-23T17:10:32.479-07:002016-04-23T17:10:32.479-07:00This is absurd. I agree on most points with Lawren...This is absurd. I agree on most points with Lawrence.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10991334433982855080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2579189847356587096.post-4380470829701821772016-04-22T18:13:26.520-07:002016-04-22T18:13:26.520-07:00I think it was I who started this discussion. So j...I think it was I who started this discussion. So just a few details. I said that the Green Parties which endorsed Sanders one of the nominees for the capitalist democratic Party, the Party that is dropping the drones, the party that was the only party ever in government to drop nuclear bombs on civilian population should be expelled. Let me put this another way. It is the fault of the Green Party and especially its leadership that has allowed a culture of decentralization which in turn has allowed state parties to think they can be in the Green party and support the Democrats. There should be no need for any expulsions. The Green party should have have a constitution and a culture which makes clear that if you are in the Green Party you cannot support capitalist parties. I support building within the Green party a democratic non sectarian current which will advocate the Green party openly adopt socialism as the alternative and also openly state that it seeks to become a workers party. To finish I see this decentralization process not only as i said as a way that a minority can paralyze the Party, but as a way that a minority can blackmail the majority into accepting its views. I was at the Illinois state party meeting recently and a man stood up and said as a stock holder he was against taxing the speculators on the Chicago Board of Trade, Stock Market etc. i stood up and strongly said i disagreed with him and said he should not be in the party. Not a single other person spoke to oppose him. He intimidated the meeting because you see we have to accept decentralization. he blackmailed the meeting. how far does this decentralization go. If a state party came out with racist or sexist positions would they be allowed to get away with this. No this decentralization means that a serious party cannot be built. It has to be replaced with democratic structures, majority rule and the rights of minorities to put their views but the responsibility of all to put the views of the majority, that is the Party. If this does not happen the green Party cannot be built as a serious Party. Sean O'Torain. Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07802923167159509214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2579189847356587096.post-50121603456629705302016-04-22T16:59:29.741-07:002016-04-22T16:59:29.741-07:00Here's what some of us around this blog said a...Here's what some of us around this blog said about Sanders. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B64NVxTm_fFlM2ptMFNVVWJJQXc/view?usp=sharing<br />Richard Mellorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997976754939725087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2579189847356587096.post-40226019959077820292016-04-22T16:53:17.230-07:002016-04-22T16:53:17.230-07:00Lawrence I certainly wouldn't mind meeting wit...Lawrence I certainly wouldn't mind meeting with you to share my views and yours. I was active in the union movement here in the Bay Area gor 30 years or so. The only Lawrence I know in the greens is Lawrence shoup. My e nail is a activist@igc.orgRichard Mellorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997976754939725087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2579189847356587096.post-28866636158651297092016-04-22T16:36:06.507-07:002016-04-22T16:36:06.507-07:00Maybe the Green Party SHOULD have a clause that th...Maybe the Green Party SHOULD have a clause that the Green Party should have a clause in its constitution that does not allow chapters to endorse Demicratic Party candidates. Maybe. But the fact is that it doesn't. And neither, for that matter, do the Dems and Reps. If they are better organized than we are, it the reason must lie in some other dimension.<br /><br />Also, the Greens have not yet declared themselves as an alternative to capitalism. I think I would be happy if we did, but that would first require a prolonged debate about which of the dozens of definitions of "socialism" (or post capitalism) we prefer. Otherwise, our declaration would be just hot air.<br /><br />3rd. Bernie is not "every liberal Democrat." How many others can you name who call themselves "Democratic Socialists," and who remained independent of the Democrats for 40 years?"<br /><br />4th, and most important; you seem to be confining your definition of "struggle" to the electoral realm. (So far as I can see, although, since I don't know ALL your ideas, you may have other concepts.) The fact is that until we get good at organizing in workplaces, schools and neighborhoods, so that people can learn co-operation and solidarity in daily life, we will not even BEGIN to be able to challenge the money and media, no matter HOW we are configured politically.<br />Whether or not we have Bernie supporters in our midst (of whom I am one) is mostly irrelevant to that most primary task.Laurenceofberkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545455962734098256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2579189847356587096.post-64179171037444993742016-04-22T16:08:33.405-07:002016-04-22T16:08:33.405-07:00I didn't write this piece but I will say Lawre...I didn't write this piece but I will say Lawrence that the Green Party should have a clause in its constitution that does not allow chapters to endorse Demicratic Party candidates when it pleases them. If you join the Green Party you do so accepting that. It's not about liking or not liking someone. How can u build a serious alternative to the two capitalist parties hopping in and out of the Greens and whole chapters endorsing every liberal Democrat that runs for office? Also, I agree with the authors criticism of the lack of centralization and a common view that people can join and do whatever they feel lik. There has to be some principles surely. Our enemies are organized better than that.Richard Mellorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997976754939725087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2579189847356587096.post-20605432605565590912016-04-22T15:57:04.251-07:002016-04-22T15:57:04.251-07:00Oh goody.
He wants to build a MASS workers' ...Oh goody. <br /><br />He wants to build a MASS workers' party, but first, we should GET RID of the people Mr. Mellor doesn't like. The Sanders supporters, actual and potential, and of course those selfish, frivolous decentralists. Booksellers aren't too welcome either.<br /><br />Nothing better than getting rid of people to attract the masses, right? We may not be able to build a mass revolutionary party, but at least we can conduct purges, just like in the old days.Laurenceofberkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545455962734098256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2579189847356587096.post-85541372384350622192016-04-20T14:24:27.454-07:002016-04-20T14:24:27.454-07:00I never wrote this piece but agree with it. What i...I never wrote this piece but agree with it. What is it about some political people. Is it the class background? Are you all middle class types? I had better responses to ideas, even controversial ones, than this at my local union meetings. And these are forums where the "backward" of us congregate. Where those of us that need "educating" and move in "baby steps" meet. Again with the psychoanalysis. Does Allen have anything useful to contribute?Richard Mellorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997976754939725087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2579189847356587096.post-70121825058168741742016-04-20T13:27:09.830-07:002016-04-20T13:27:09.830-07:00you my friend are delusional
bestyou my friend are delusional<br /><br />bestallenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06840237717017411534noreply@blogger.com